Female Artists in Israel Amidst Conflict

Di 0:22

Welcome Bodyholic with with D . This is part 3 of a very special series called Creative Echoes Women Navigating Conflict Through Artistic Expression . We dive into the profound experiences of female artists in Israel amidst the ongoing conflict with Hamas . While I often discuss stress and trauma from a scientific perspective , the essence of the series lies in the genuine voices of those living through these challenging times . In a world where life in Israel and the experience of Jews globally has become exceptionally challenging , I truly believe in the power of real , authentic narratives . Amidst the cacophony of male voices during wartime , let's turn our attention to the voices of female artists , recognizing the cathartic and illuminating potential their stories hold .

Di 1:38

Today's guest is Vered Moshkovsky . She is a multi-talented individual who defies limitations . The conversation you are about to hear is so honest and so real . I got a little bit welled up a couple of times in the middle . Vered wears different hats , as she is a truly gifted singer-songwriter . I actually have linked a few of her works to the episode notes . She is a dedicated mother of two and a highly skilled social lawyer . Take a moment , soak it in . I know I needed a moment as well . And additionally , she navigates life with a genetic condition that affects her vision , despite the challenges and really having her hands full . Vered exudes resilience and determination , and she continues to pursue her passions , helping and inspiring others along the way . So sit back and I'm sure you'll enjoy .

Di 3:00

Vered Moschkovsky , thank you so much for joining me today .

Vered 3:07

I'm so happy to be here . Thank you for saying my name correctly . It's not always happening .

Di 3:14

It's a pleasure . I'm just going to say something real quick , but then I want you to introduce yourself in your vocabulary and how you would like to introduce yourself . But I just want to say to everybody first of all first of all , just Google Vered Moschkovsky and listen to her music , because it is so good . You'll sit down , you'll listen and then you'll just start floating . So that's first of all . But I also want you to give a little bit of an introduction about yourself and kind of what led you to this point , briefly . And then I have questions that I want to really ask you specifically about this period of time in our lives that we are going through globally .

Vered 4:11

Sure , I would love that . So I am a musician . I write my music lyrics , the music I sing . I also play keyboards and piano . Mostly . I'm also an attorney , I'm a professor in law , I'm a director of a legal clinic . If you would like , I can explain a little bit later , because it's also very relatively speaking to our time , what I'm doing there . And I'm also a mom for two kids , two girls , very young ones , and I can talk about each one of the things like lots .

Di 4:56

So how old are the two girls ?

Vered 5:01

Yeah , two girls and a dog , but how old are they ? Oh yeah , I was . I didn't hear you for one moment . I'm sorry . No , that's okay . Daria is three years old and Talma is one year old .

Di 5:18

Oh , really small , with a small age difference , wow Okay , so yeah .

Vered 5:23

Daria was one year and ten months when Talma was born . Are you ? Yeah , okay .

Di 5:29

So you're a busy person .

Vered 5:34

Very , very busy Actually .

Di 5:36

yeah , very busy person , wow , okay , so I'm even more grateful right now . Thank you so much . You do have a very interesting kind of puzzle that you live , because between being an artist and an educator , and a lawyer and a mom , there's a lot going on , and now we found ourselves in this situation , in this war situation where we both are . We're in Israel , where Hamas attacks brutally Israel on October 7th , and I'm very interested in how your creative journey intersects with the situation we're in now . But also you can feel free to talk about any of the points in your life , because I think that for you it all you know you're one person who deals with everything , so you probably being a lawyer kind of has an impact on your motherhood , has an impact on the music and it all kinds of kind of boils into this one pot . So I would be so interested in finding out that moment where everything intersects .

Vered 7:03

Yeah , okay . So first I will say that I think I'm a person who has like a lot of conflicts before this attack as well , but mostly I manage my conflicts , you know , I mean I feel like I'm an artist , but I feel like I'm also I'm not sure if the right terminology is a social attorney . In Hebrew you would say that someone is a social attorney , so it describe the work , which is not a private sector , it's not a public sector , is the third sector . So I feel in a not war life that I'm actually all of the things I'm doing and that it makes sense , because I love to perform on stage or in court , I love to do good for people with my music or with my work . You know what I mean . So I feel that when you look on like typos and strict perceptions , you would say , oh , how can a person can be like an artist and a lawyer and how can she be like ? But actually , if you think of it like like for two seconds .

Vered 8:23

It all makes sense Totally . But since the war I actually feel much more conflict with everything . So I'm start and like trying to think where should I start . So I will just start and I feel like my thoughts are . So .

Vered 8:42

I was waiting for October 8 , like hell , like I was waiting so much for the second , which is a Jewish holiday that ends on October 7 this year . I was so waiting for it to be done because on October 8 , my girls were supposed to start for real their day cares and I was supposed to start a routine in which I have like partially much more freedom with my schedule , with being a lawyer and an artist as I work . I work strictly , not with a full time job , so I will have time for my art , but every time I need to choose like , for example , the girls are off and it's August and there are like things that are not in my control , like sick days and stuff so the art is always , since I'm a mom for a few years now , is going to sigh , which is a very hard thing to admit , but this is the truth , because it's not like like a paycheck salary , it's not people that depend on me , it's like to be very , which is which is me all the time . No , I can write music in any hour . I can play the piano , like , theoretically speaking , it's my problem , it's my gift , it's my everything .

Vered 10:07

But so I was so waiting . I had like a sheet with least and stuff I'm trying to do with the new routine after the holidays . So for me it really stopped all of my plans in a sense that I went down like Maslow pyramid and it was just thankful I'm alive , which is an awful thing to say that this is really how it feels to be here . You know , like thank God I was in that Saturday in Tel Aviv and not one hour away the south . So it really stopped everything at the beginning .

Di 10:48

Yeah , yeah . So it stopped everything in the beginning . You where , I don't remember , we 51 , 52 days into the war , something like that , I think .

Vered 11:00

Yeah , something like this is unbelievable . You know , this is really unbelievable .

Di 11:04

Right and I'm curious , like , how did it evolve until this point ? Because I , for two weeks , Personally , I was also full time mommy and also feeling like I I'm . I woke up today , Okay , Okay and like and then the next day I woke up , right .

Di 11:29

So I really , I really that really resonates with me . And then and then , now that we're looking back and we're still in the midst of it , but now that we're looking back , how has being in the war situation in , in motherhood , in in your artistic self , in your lawyer self , how has it evolved ?

Vered 11:55

So I think it's interesting because in some ways you're saying it's 50 days now right . So it feels like so , like not in a war time , 50 days can be not a lot , but I feel I don't know if you feel the same , but I feel it's like feel like an eternity . You know this war . It's similar that when you have in a baby , so one day of a baby feels like a week for you . So this war had so many stages for me as an artist and as a lawyer and as a mom .

Vered 12:28

On the artistic level . At the beginning I had a lot of thoughts and I didn't perform to people who left their home to injured people that , like there are a lot of populations in Israel , like right now , that is in a very , very bad situation and music , you know , can be fun , can be something to escape to . I'm sorry and I thought about it One moment . I'm sorry .

Di 13:04

I'm also going to say that it wasn't necessary . They leave their homes more , like they were either evacuated or their . Yes , thank you .

Vered 13:14

Thank you . Yes , they didn't have a home Right . Their families were open from them they were part of the families were murdered with . Like , the people that I'm talking about are people that weren't lucky enough to be at their home and healthy . And one of the first things I thought , as a lot of other musicians , is should I go and just , you know , go and sink and to make them happy because it's something that I can do ? And I thought that actually I felt that it won't be important enough , which was an interesting thought . I mean , I felt that it's more important for me and it would be more useful to the world if I'll be home with my girls and be a lawyer . I felt that a lot of musicians can go and sing , but not all of the people that can be with my girls can give them the feeling or the illusion that they are safe , that they can be happy . And also , my lawyer is regarding people with disabilities , that related to security forces .

Vered 14:38

Wow , Sorry , I feel like I need more water . I have no idea . Take your time . What's going on ? Maybe it's all the war talk makes my just kidding .

Di 14:52

No , I actually the second . The seasons change with me . I have coughing attacks .

Vered 14:59

LRGs and stuff yeah . Yeah , yeah , yes , take your time . This morning I woke up amazing , so I don't know why . I mean , I felt very healthy , but now I feel like oh , my son , this is okay , take your time . I have all the other tricks , the tricks before performance being without voice , and then to go on stage to sing like you're one half percent healthy , and then you go down the stage and you're , I can breathe .

Di 15:26

Yeah , yeah , adrenaline is good .

Vered 15:29

Yeah , adrenaline does work .

Vered 15:31

I love it . Yes , so in Israel we have a specific law for veterans and police officers and fire workers and whatever that got injured or mentally , or free the clay while their service . So this is a special specialty that , in my opinion , is very important , also when you don't have a war . As you can imagine , after the war has started and we had so much injured soldiers and police officers and fire workers and everything . So it got much more urgent to help this population . And , as I said , I'm doing a clinical work , which means that I'm working in a college . I don't get paid for my clients . This is a like . For them it's a pro bono work I'm not doing . It's pro bono and in a sense , that I'm a lecturer in the college and I get paid from the academy , but for these people it's not like the need to come and pay me as valid , you know .

Balancing Obligations and Artistic Passion

Vered 16:43

So I felt very obligated to do as much as I can Like in a regular time I would say , oh no , I can't take this client and I would find someone that will help them and I would say , oh , you can't , I'm sorry , etc . But in after this crisis , I felt like I need to say yes to everything and I need to find a way to give service , you know , to a broader . People like to make like sheets , rights that you can get injured and know what you can get like and do like funcals to parents that were . So I felt that I need to be a mom and a lawyer and it's not something I'm regular feel , you know . I feel mostly that I need to protect my time and my piano and my performances and stuff , but I felt that I need to be a lawyer and it made me feel a huge conflict . Like I told my husband , I feel like I'm not a musician anymore . I'm passing , like all my plans and , on the other hand , I was like who cares from music ? Who cares about Vered ? I just need to help and say thank you , I have a knowledge that can help people and that's it . And , as I'm describing to you my thoughts , I feeling very OCD , which I of course , have , but I'm saying that I really felt like everything you know , like I need to be thankful for being able to help . I need to be thankful that it's clear to me that this is a helpful thing to do , but on the other way , on the other hand , I felt like what about music ? So I was very like this in my heart and my stomach , but bottom line , that's what I did .

Vered 18:34

I was like I'm still maybe two or three weeks ago when a friend of mine she's a clinician as well and she has a son in Gaza and she asked me if I wrote already a song about the war , if like arrived to my writing . And I told her I even didn't try to write a song for like a month and she wrote to me you have to Like , you have to sit down and let yourself be an artist , because you are all day with the work like the war work . You know , that's all I'm doing and I'm not in the sense that it's a hard thing to process , even for me . So she wrote me such a great WhatsApp text like she wrote very freely about how she feels about me need to write and like after five minutes it was the first song they're right .

Di 19:32

Really it was very .

Vered 19:33

Yes , yes .

Di 19:38

And then I got back for the piano , which was very meaningful .

Vered 19:43

And since then I feel like I'm going back , you know , to the music , like I feel like I want to record it , maybe , and I want to keep the song and maybe to think about the other plans I had before October 7 . And after a few minutes of thinking of it , I'm like but who will come to this performance in January ? Should you cancel it ? But it's very confusing . It's very confusing because art is so basic , but also it's not you have a performance set for January .

Vered 20:19

Yeah , which I'm not sure . I mean all the other things I had in November . Of course that canceled in a second because who cares ? People are getting murder and we have rockets . But for January it was like maybe things will be OK .

Di 20:37

I the reason I'm doing this podcast , this series , because this podcast is a well-being , very , very science-based . Sometimes we get into the very nitty-gritty of certain studies that just came out and it can go from anything from mindfulness and FMRI studies to female weightlifting and that sort of thing and that's what I specialize in .

Vered 21:13

Yeah , I did research on you as well and it was pretty amazing . I didn't catch up with everything yet , but it was great , thank you .

Di 21:25

But what I'm saying is I have been doing the regular content that I'm interested in , normally very , very little , and what I realized was again , it's very interesting like three weeks into the war , I was leaning for my well-being , for my mental health , on you people when I say you people , I mean artists , and so I think your friend was onto something that was very important , not only for yourself , like I think it's fantastic and wonderful and cathartic and important that you're writing for yourself , but as someone who's not an artist , I like today and yesterday when I was really listening to your stuff , that was amazing for me and I'm in this and I'm dealing with anxiety and I'm going to give up .

Personal Trauma's Impact on Art

Vered 22:30

It's exactly what you wrote to me . It's amazing you're saying it . It's really feeling like it's exactly what you said . It's exactly the she wrote to me after she's finished listening to music . To me , it's unbelievable that you're saying it . Yeah , like it's not only for us .

Di 22:43

We need to . Yeah , right , and so , and the only people I wanted to interview on my podcast , all of a sudden , were the people who I felt are really important to our well-being and when I say our well-being , I mean just the person walking down the street . And so , all of a sudden , I was only interested in female Israeli artists , and that's it Incredible . Yeah , it is very incredible and you know , as you're speaking , I'm also thinking about how much work you have waiting for you In your lawyer career and your teaching career , and it's probably just the tip of the iceberg right now , and what's coming is going to be you have your work cut out for you , but really , it's , it's true .

Vered 23:41

But also I feel what you're saying needs to be my mantra , in a way that I can always help another soldier , you know , and it was true before the war , and I think I should remember it now more than ever . You know what I mean Like I can always say , ok , I will help this guy as well , I will have this girl as well . But I need to tell myself what you told me , that keeping my art is also being helpful , even though I don't feel it in the same way . I don't feel like the help I just gave , or the Like it's not only narcissists to do music , it also makes sense .

Di 24:30

That's what I need to remember .

Di 24:31

Absolutely , absolutely , absolutely .

Vered 24:38

Oh gosh , I'm going to this word is awful .

Di 24:46

It is awful , and I'm actually . I wanted to ask you something more personal , if that's OK , and you can totally feel free to deviate away OK , but there's . You also have dealt with all kinds of things in your life and things that other people haven't dealt with , so I'm very interested in how the personal trauma or personal struggles that you've dealt with , how has that impacted your creative process and do you feel like you're conveying emotions through your music ? Tell me a little bit about your personal life and your music , because I think that when I'm looking forward into the future , what has happened in October 7th and what we're going through now is going to end up also being a part of the tapestry of your creativity .

Vered 26:03

Yes , well , you have very good questions . I would definitely take you with me to court . So I guess you're referring to my eye condition .

Di 26:16

I am . I'm specifically referring to that , but you can answer it anyway . Yeah , sure .

Vered 26:22

No , I'm very open with it and I feel that it's like a big shlikhut how you say , shlikhut Calling . Yeah , I think like it's a very . It's like it's a calling for me to be a lawyer for people with disabilities . I feel like it's a calling to talk about it . So I'm totally fine with that , even though it's not easy always . So I have a retina disease that has been diagnosed when I was 22 years old . I'm 35 in two weeks .

Vered 26:55

This is maybe the first time in my life I don't have like a birthday wishes and I can't tell you about my plans , cause we are in a such a traumatic and bad situation in Israel , but I'm a very birthday girl , so so it's been long . I'm , I think , 13 years now that I am legally blind and I'm doing like with my hands . So it's it's the definition by law , cause I really don't live my life as a legally blind person , even though this is the definition I can be with . So I have like I'm not sure how , what's the right terminology . It's like it is a situation in which the light photo receptors and in the retina , like , are dying slowly . So the focus that need to be so you can write notes , to read notes or read text or recognize people is getting worse .

Vered 27:59

So I'm very lucky not to have the kind of a disease that you are getting blind from . I just don't see so well . I mean I don't see very well and it's a big thing , but it's not being blind , which is a big comfort for a person . That that is diagnosed at the beginning . I mean it's a bad diagnosis , but you get to a certain point that you'll say , oh my God , please , let's . I hope to it . You know it's only that and you're not losing my site .

Di 28:36

So I can interrupt you for one second , if I'm not mistaken , and I could be wrong , but I think it's macular degeneration , if I'm not mistaken .

Vered 28:48

So it's like a cousin of this disease , because you just said you're losing your site . Okay , my disease , which it has another name , it's called start guard which is it's very , very rare , but the good thing is that you're not losing your side , you just lose your focus , the ability for the details . So it's an easier condition , but it's it's . I can't strive and my computer is like with huge magnification and my iPhone is like with huge fonts and I can't read notes . So , for your question , it was like a huge trauma for me . It was the biggest trauma in my life , for sure , more than October 7 , more than .

Vered 29:41

I mean in my you know , like Michael Cossum , your personal experience , absolutely yes . For me it was like the end of being . I don't want to say perfect , but I will say perfect . My dad says I'm not important enough to be modest and I love the sentence because I'm not that modest and it was like a really unbelievable thing . I had a trouble reading notes with my students . I was a piano teacher at this age . I went to music school and then to law school and my job was to teach piano and to teach like any music school and I thought , like I'm not a good pianist enough for my students , like they got better than me .

Vered 30:35

So I stopped teach them and I had so many other things that happened after I understood that my site has begun , the disease has started to work , but no one think he has this kind of problem till a doctor say you know what I mean . You don't wake up in the morning and say , oh , I can't read this menu because I'm legally blind . Right , a normal person don't think . And you were 22 , you're supposed to be young and beautiful . So I had a . I had a very hard time with that and I quit music 100% . I don't think I ever said it like I'm saying it right now .

Vered 31:18

I couldn't stand to try and read notes because I understood I want to be able to do it . I will have an headache and I and I totally did law school . I just said music is not for me , it's no money , it's too hard with the eyes . I will just be a lawyer , which is pretty funny if I think about it right now , because being a lawyer is also . You need your eyes right , like you need to to to read materials . You need to see , the like I need my eyes with with being an attorney as well . The first thing I said I said is like I can't stand piano . I can stand and , and . Till today the notes stuff and the reading music is very hard for me mentally . I'm lucky that my music is not like classical music , you know . It's more like indie and like pop and jazz and and .

Di 32:27

I don't need the notes .

Vered 32:29

I just read like it so and when I do need notes . So it all always a struggle , but I'm dealing with it .

Di 32:41

So there are points where you do need notes .

Vered 32:44

Yeah , and I have like , for example , a gig in which I sing , not my music , you know like one of the performances that got canceled for me was like tribute for your own talent , which is a Israeli famous author , and me and I needed to play and sing some of the songs and it's like not something you just do . You need like the sheets because you have another people in the band and so you need like an iPad or notes or something . So for regular people it's like you know , it's like not a big deal , like you just put your notes and that's for me and it like to do a magnifier and to do like adaptations so I can see it , but also that the people in the audience can see me so I won't look weird . So , yeah , my disability is for sure , I think with my art and actually one song that you might heard that I wrote really on my disease . It calls the fee in English it's cards , I guess . Yeah .

Vered 33:55

And it's a song that is talking about the fact that , like you get your cards , you know in life and the way you play with them , with them Like it's your , it's your job , like it's your desk , it's like it's not a destiny , like it's your job to decide what will you do with the cards you get . So yeah , I don't think I ever thought about it so clearly , but it's for sure , reflecting my arts and arts .

Di 34:32

Yeah , and I'm , I'm , as I'm listening to you , I'm thinking like it's going to be so interesting to like circle back with you in a few months and like and see where the political , the national , the global situation that we're in , where it ends up taking you .

Vered 34:57

And I think it's going to be as well when you like .

Di 35:03

Yeah , yeah .

Vered 35:06

Yeah , also , and I also think that my I'm sorry I stopped you from asking something .

Di 35:12

No , no , no no , no , no .

Vered 35:14

I'm saying that I also think that my disability is affecting my war perception , because at the beginning of the war , when everyone was afraid , the terrorists are walking through the streets . So for me I don't have the confidence that I would see them Like . For me , the war um awakened a lot of things that are asleep . That I'm , I say , I'm stressed , I'm sorry for not having the word .

Di 35:54

No kind of I'm thinking .

Vered 36:00

You know what I mean like you repress ecology . Yes , thank you . Yeah , in general , like in the regular times , I know I want to see everything like you , but you know like we don't think about it . I did a lot of therapy for that 10 years ago . But with this war it felt like everything is going back and being much more bigger drama . Like I'm going down with my girl for like um very close park to my house but I don't feel confident enough to see danger .

Di 36:38

Wow .

Vered 36:39

So I feel . So I feel that , like every disability , it has effects on routine and , of course , with the war , like if my husband would need to go for service military , they didn't call him in Israel . Like we have . Sometimes , when you are not a soldier , they can call you in a war , as they did with thousands of people in Israel . So they didn't call to my husband . But I have a lot of . I had a lot of thoughts about what will I do if he'll go and I felt so like dependent .

Vered 37:12

you know , in a , in a in a regular time , I wouldn't tell you I need him . I would tell you , right , I want to be , you know , but yeah so , yeah , because what you're describing is extreme vulnerability .

Di 37:29

I , I I'm thinking of myself where I'm very lucky that I'm not going to be a soldier , I'm very lucky that I have sharp senses and I it's interesting , like I'm I the first days I didn't even walk out of where we live , not like not even a few steps , just because I wanted to make sure that my kid is safe , everybody sit in , and I just can't . I don't have eyes in the back of my head and I just , you know , with the fact that I have my sharp senses , I didn't feel like it was enough that I don't have eyes everywhere , you know . So I can only imagine what you felt and you know , double and triple and quadruple checking to see that I locked the door and , and I mean I wouldn't really like I pushed stuff against the door , it really mess with our heads . So I can , I it really messed with our heads .

Di 38:30

Yes , Right , Right , no , but you know , like like Sorry go ahead .

Vered 38:37

No , I totally agree . I think that the war , in a lot of ways , just like increase the regular issues . You know , like I , always have these problems and difficulties because when you have some disabilities it affect your life . But in a war , when everything is so fragile and so scary and terror , hamas , there is like killing our people just because they're Jewish . It's like them , them demonized , like an increase the the difficulties we have always .

Di 39:19

So absolutely , absolutely , and I'm also . I'm also curious . I don't want to take up too much more of your time , but I'm also curious about how I'm really enjoying talking to you so like . Oh no , we totally have to get a coffee like regardless , but yes , I was planning to text you after .

Vered 39:42

Can I , can I be your friend , please ? Thank you for talking to me .

Di 39:48

Oh my god , that's hilarious Same . It's like , yeah , we're going to get a coffee , but within the podcast I was . I was considering how , like I'm very affected by the world right now and I'm , and like my feelings are hurt by the world and I'm starting to get over it . I'm kind of like starting to like , okay , I now know the truth . Clearly , anti semitism is rampant and clearly it takes on different forms and I was wondering if it reshaped your perspective . At least for me , it like I got smacked in the face . I was like , wow , I did not realize this existed still , and maybe it sounds so naive , but I was wondering if it reshaped your perspective and and like how you see this as , or if you do see this as a collective trauma .

Vered 40:52

This is an excellent question , I would say . My daughter would say to you and she's three years old Mommy , wait , I need to think .

Navigating Uncertainty and Seeking Truth

Vered 41:02

But the truth is that I feel that my answer is really related to to me being a mom , because I was not very occupied with the world or with news or with history Till now . I mean , I was very like I live my life . I try to do my best with all of my choices , with helping at the street , with being music , you know , like with everything . But I was not like being , oh , I have to live in Israel because I'm Jewish and my my grandmother was at the Holocaust and like I was like you can live in Israel , can live in New York .

Vered 41:51

By the way , I lived in New York and it was amazing , I loved it . A few years ago , my husband went to school there because I told him he needs to do it because I want to live in New York . So I really felt like each one of us can do whatever works for him and it's fine . But I think this work gave me like an observation that there is a big mix for me and I and I hope I'm not the only one between like what's the real truth . You know , I feel the media is got crazy . I don't know who to believe . I really don't know , and I don't know if I should feel safe in Tel Aviv more than New York City , or , and I have no like my friends in Thai think they , you know , like are more safe than anywhere in the world . But in Thai you have like a lot of groups that are like like I'm saying that I feel very confused regarding what's the truth .

Vered 43:02

I really don't know . I'm sure that there is antisem and 70 in a level that I've never know like it's unbelievable , and that my mission is to find a place that makes sense for my girls to grow up and be safe and that will have a future , but I don't feel I have an answer . I don't know if it's true to be in Israel or not . Yeah , it's very sad what I'm saying but that's what I feel .

Di 43:34

No , it's , it's . It's very sad and it's very . I relate to it very much . I think a lot of women our age also , who are mothers , are at this point in time . You know , this is the end of November 2023 . We go to sleep and we wake up with a question mark and a lot of things are just unclear .

Vered 44:03

A lot of things and I don't think and I don't think someone has a real answer and I think this is the main struggle mentally . I think a lot of times in life we have traumas , we have like , like intersections , intersection , you need to choose and like dilemmas and there is something that is like really stronger than the other side . You know , like someone knows the truth . You need to find the professional , you need to find the best yoga teacher , you need to find the best like , but I don't think anyone has the truth right now Is this I , you , just you just reminded me of this one post I saw on a Facebook group .

Di 44:51

You may have also seen the post where someone was looking for her friend , was looking for help for her friend .

Di 45:03

Her friend was a therapist and she has just been in the hospital and offering her professional services to people who have been attacked . On October 7th and at this point you know we're almost two months into this she is now dealing with PTSD . She wasn't in the attacks but she's she , I mean , full on PTSD and she's dealing with not sleeping at night , terrible anxiety , afraid to leave her house . And this is actually from stories that she has been helping people overcome and things that , yeah , from secondary trauma , yeah , and what it's very what you're describing is is like even even our therapists , even our doctors , the people we turn to , I mean we are , we are all with this incredible just what is going to happen . We're in like this abyss of the unknown . And yes , and it's , and it's like if I was , if I was to sit down and write some music right now , then I would end it with like , with you know , the note before the end , so that like instead of the C note , or and , and , then and like .

Vered 46:40

Yeah , I think this is the reason I didn't get back to the studio yet , even though I'm talking to my producer for a week now , because I can't understand . I didn't decide , I didn't succeed to choose . Should I do a war song , the new one I told you about , or should I do the song I wanted to do in September , like in which door , like , should I choose both ?

Di 47:10

Can you do both ? I can do both .

Vered 47:15

But what first Interesting ?

Di 47:19

I would do . You know what I would , I would like , if I was wise . I would say to you the answer is within you . But because I totally , I totally have something to say , I love it . Please , please do I want to say to you do the war song first , so that you you can end with the comfort of what you're working on in a peaceful time . You know it's like , it's like just leaving the restaurant after dessert rather than the , but that that's my feeling . Like I don't want , I like this metaphor .

Vered 47:58

I like it I will think about it after a little . I like it , I can relate to that I can relate to that . I can't wait to see what you do .

Di 48:08

I really want to dessert now . Go for it . Go for it . I think it's definitely time for some chocolate . I really , I really look forward to hearing what you do next and following you and seeing what's next for you , and thank you so much for having me .

Vered 48:33

It was really an amazing honest , inspiring conversation with you . Thank you .

Di 48:40

Likewise . Thank you so much . I'm really doing what you're doing and and also the the art needs you . You need the art , we need you . So now go back to the piano and being very , because that's so important .