Meet Dr. Joe Nusma

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Dr. Joe Newsma, thank you so much for being on the show. And how are you today?

SPEAKER_00 0:07

I am absolutely fabulous, Dee. And thank you for having me on your show. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

It's a pleasure. I want people to know who you are and where you come from. So give us a little bit of a background, please.

Pharma Toxicology And Exposure Limits

SPEAKER_00 0:19

I can do that. I started out uh in undergraduate at Central Michigan University thinking I was going to go to medical school with your traditional biology and chemistry. I got a job at Dow Chemical toward the end of my undergrad working with a bunch of PhDs. And they said, well, you should consider graduate school too, in case you don't get into medical school. I ended up applying to a bunch of medical schools and a couple graduate programs. I got into a couple graduate programs. So I went and got my PhD from the University of Colorado School of Pharmacy, molecular environmental toxicology program. And uh instead of doing a postdoc, I applied for one job out of graduate school and landed that job as the industrial toxicologist for Geneva Pharmaceuticals, which turned into Sando Pharmaceuticals, which turned into the global generics firm for Novartis. So Novartis is one of the big shots in the pharmaceutical world. And so it was my job to keep all of the employees which made those drugs safe. We had about a hundred products under one roof. And it was also my job to make sure product A didn't get into product B, uh, because we had a hundred products under one roof. So you know the bread and butter that I've done for the past, oh gosh, 27 years in pharma has been um deriving OELs and ADEs. And OEL is an occupational exposure limit, and an ADE is an acceptable daily exposure. And what those are is that's the amount of drug product that are designed to have an effect on the human body that somebody who's making a drug can be exposed to before there's any increased risk of adverse effects. And an ADE is this is the scary part is the amount of product A that can be found in product B before it's an issue for the end user. So yeah, everybody goes to their Walgreens or CVS and gets their uh prescribed drug, and yeah, it's got mostly prescribed drug and maybe just a little bit of something else. So, you know, it usually doesn't come into play unless somebody is deathly allergic to a little bit of something else. But in uh toxicology, you know, there's several little overviews, you know, the dose makes the poison, everyone's heard of that, and um yeah, it's it's one of those sciences where you need to know quite a bit about all the rest of the sciences in order to understand toxicology because it's a whole picture approach. And I've always been on the patient safety side or the employee safety side, and I've always for 37 years had an emphasis in human exposure to things that they shouldn't be exposed to.

Show Intro And Scope

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Welcome to Bodyholic with D. We don't do fads here, we give you the facts that move your body and health forward. Wait up, hold up. I'm not a doctor. The information in this podcast is for informational purposes only and not medical advice. So kick back and enjoy the chat.

Wildfire Smoke In Homes Explained

SPEAKER_00 3:13

I've gotten where I've gotten, and that's evolved into uh, you know, products that that help with longevity and help with inflammation and help with aging. And most recently, just this last year, I actually published a paper in um the toxicology mechanisms and methods regarding how toxic houses are that are smoked out but not burned down in wildfire situations. And basically, that particular paper has really kicked a hornet's nest in the uh remediation from fire damage and smoke damage industry because you know everybody was always talking about the 500-pound gorilla in the corner while I actually wrote about it.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

So oh my god, can you can you tell me can you tell me a little bit more about that paper and and the the I made it open source so everybody can find it?

SPEAKER_00 4:08

If you Google, if you Google I'll link it.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

I'll link it.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Yeah, there you go. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Yeah, I'll link it to the show notes. But I'm also interested in the repercussions, like what is the whole shebang? Let's get into it because I I was really fascinated by the California wildfires last year.

Dioxins, Sources, And Potency

Health Effects After Reentry

Insurance And Remediation Gaps

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Was it I have a lot of clients out there right now that are that I'm helping wade through the mess of dealing with the insurance company to get their house back in like kind and quality. But uh basically, when your house is smoked out, there's particles that contain toxins, and those toxins are ash and soot and char and and uh volatile compounds and polyaromatic hydrocarbons, but and heavy metals, several of which are carcinogenic, but the ultimate toxin in these house fires are dioxins and furans, and that's a group of chemicals that actually refers to like 130 different chemical entities, and dioxins are the most toxic thing on the planet, they are 10,000 times more potent as a carcinogen than the next most potent carcinogen, which is diethylamine. So um the fact of the matter is these dioxins originate from incomplete combustion of materials that have chlorine in it. So modern construction materials, things like PVC or vinyl or rubber or or any of those faux finishes, when they burn partially and don't all burn all the way down to ash, that's when you get the production of these dioxins and fluorands. And the dioxins and fluorands can have adverse effects in humans at the picogram level. That's not very much. And we're seeing these types of compounds in some cases on the microgram or the milligram levels in these houses. So when governmental agencies, departments of health tells homeowners to go in and wipe your walls down with a wet sponge and move back in, you're fine, there's nothing to worry about. That's the most inaccurate statement on the face of the earth. Wow. And it's painfully obvious when people move back into their house that they think is clean and think is like kind and quality, and they start seeing adverse effects. They start seeing irritations, they start seeing respiratory effects, they start seeing inflammation. And it's the the there's so many human diseases that are tied to inflammation, it's not even funny. I mean, the the top six conditions that afflict humans have to do with inflammation. And going back into a smoke-infested house and having these particles that were not cleaned up, that get kicked up in the air and they get ingested and they get uh breathed in, inhaled, and they also can absorb through skin, then you have three separate mechanisms of exposure that will set up the occupants for for hazards due to their house. And your house is not built toxic. These compounds are not in a house. There is no background level in these houses, and it's it's the the uh it's the partial burning of those materials that really sets up the house to be incredibly toxic. And I have created a new niche for myself with all of these people that you know they think they're lucky in the beginning because their house didn't burn down. Wow. And the best advice I can give somebody is if your house catches on fire, throw a little gas on it, wait 45 minutes, and then call the fire department. I mean, because there's so many more problems because there's not a set set of rules and regulations to clean up a smoke-filled house. And unfortunately, it all boils down to to to inflammation and reactive oxygen species production in the people that go back in and live in these houses. You know, and it's just it's it's it's painful to watch and it's it's hard on the families, and they're in their worst crisis of their life, and they pay all this insurance and they think the insurance company is their friend, and they're not. The insurance company would be the same.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

The right thing would do is actually rebuild the house.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

And so you're up against that the the clients that you have are basically turning to you for help to prove to the insurance companies that this is what needs to happen.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

That the the problem is larger than what meets the eye, and that the there there's there's analytical techniques out there that can determine what's there. And and so yeah, you know, I I've gotten a much bigger response from that article that I ever thought I would be, I would get. So now I'm writing a second article, and my co-author and I are talking about a third article, and we're on the speaker circuit with uh public adjusters in the insurance industry. So it's it's actually a cool story, and it's it's it's helping, again, from my toxicology background, it's helping people that are exposed to things they shouldn't be exposed to.

Data Gaps And New Research

SPEAKER_01 9:24

That's that's just absolutely remarkable. I didn't even think we were gonna get into that. That's just it, I I uh wow. Wow. I learned so much right now on so many levels. Like I'm I'm disappointed in the government. Um but I also am every time I I see it. Every time I see something about them, but I'm I'm also assuming that there's just not enough publications and you're taking care of that.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yes, there was a whole, there was a gap in the data, and uh my co-author and I are are slowly filling that gap. That's exactly what that's amazing.

Managing Inflammation: Big Six Conditions

SPEAKER_01 10:02

That's amazing. So um, wow. Uh tell me, what how would you go about dealing with the person who is, you know, I I know we would we would want to turn to a physician, but someone comes up to you and says, I know this is your niche. I'm dealing with my inflammation. What's next other than get a new house?

Antioxidants: C60, Vitamin C, Glutathione

Purity Problems And Dosing For C60

Rat Longevity Study And Telomeres

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Oh, well, sure. I mean, inflammation is such an insidious condition. You know, I mean, it's in inflammation in the human body unchecked, can absolutely wreak havoc. And like I said, the top six conditions all have to do with with uh inflammation and reactive oxygen species. And just so you know what the top six are, you know, it's heart disease, it's diabetes, it's cancer, it's cognitive decline, things like Alzheimer's and dementia, it's arthritis, and it's inf infections. You know, I mean that cause I mean that's soup to nuts as far as the spectrum of of stuff that can affect the human body. And then when you actually dig into those conditions that are huge, broad categories, and boil it down to inflammation makes this worse, it really sets the T or the ball on the T for the golf reference, is it sets the ball on the T to really get in front of inflammation? And inflammation is controllable, you know, it's it's it's antioxidative effects and inflammation. And the poster child for those two of them vitamin C and glutathione, you know, everybody's heard of vitamin C and everybody's heard of glutathione. There's a better one that most people haven't heard about. It's carbon 60. And if you Google carbon 60, you'll come up with the hit pieces first because you always do, and it and the the the thing things on the internet will say, Don't take this stuff, it'll kill you. And if you uh listen to that stuff, you're missing a great opportunity. But uh it those hit pieces are also very true in the carbon 60 world. If you use impure carbon 60, you have side chains on those carbons that can break off. You get side chain toxicity. The other part is solvents used in the processing remain in the C60 that people sell, and you get solvent toxicity. Side chain toxicity and solvent toxicity can result in adverse effects in humans. So, what does that create? In the carbon 60 world, it's a very, very buyer-beware marketplace. If you're buying horrible product, then you're gonna see some of these side effects and adverse effects. But if you're buying a C60 product which is ultra pure and there's no solvents used in the processing, you're gonna get the benefits without those toxicities. And in my dealing with C60, I have yet to find an upper bound dose which results in any significant adverse effects. So, you know, the main dose is right around 10 milligrams per kilogram, where you get a lot of good anti-aging, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory effects, and you can get in front of those inflammatory and oxidation effects in your body, and it can actually become an anti-aging benefit for the human body. And that comes right out of the gate from the very first study that came out on C60. The study was in 2012 out of a group in Paris. The primary, the primary investigator's last name was Batit, B-A-A-T-I. And uh after Buckminster Fuller was um awarded finding the the fullerine, this group said, Well, I'm gonna put this to rest. I'm gonna feed this stuff to rats in a high dose, and we're gonna kill all these rats, and we're gonna write it off as this stuff is toxic. So, well, long story short, he fed the rats this stuff daily for a little while and nothing happened. And then he went to weekly, then monthly, and then he just stopped. And the control rats, the the water control rats and the olive oil control rats, all I mean, the the water water rats died within a normal, you know, uh 24 to 36 months. And uh a quarter of the olive oil rats died in 48 months. Not a single C60 rat died. So they increased the lifespan of these rats by about 90 percent before they got tired of taking care of this cohort of rats, and they just stopped the study. Why a scientist would do that, I have absolutely no idea. But what it showed was that uh C60 was extremely protective and very lifelong elongating what was going on. And what has been shown since then is that the the C60 will actually increase telomere length. And for the listeners who don't know what that is, that's the little piece that are on the end of the chromosomes that the longer it is, the more healthy your cells are, and the more it can divide. When the telomere length is gone, your cell life is gone and it can't divide anymore. And uh the innovator on on the product that I like the best actually did a before and after test with him and half a dozen of his friends. And the telomere test people actually thought there was a bad test and sent them new tests, and they they got uh they got incredible results with this just being on C60 for a month. And it's it's that powerful of an agent. And it's like my my 85-year-old mom has had two knee replacements. The first knee replacement, she wasn't on C60, the second knee replacement she was, and she saw faster healing, less pain and inflammation, less swelling, and greater response to the physical therapy in the second knee replacement. She's now 85 years old and she's perfectly healthy and and absolutely loves her C60. And you know, she she uh uses a gel cap every day at the desired dose, and she puts some of it and oil in her coffee every day. And and um people guess that she's 15 years only younger than she actually is. She bowls twice a week and beats the hell out of the little old ladies that are a lot younger than she is.

Evidence, Replication, And 2024 Data

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Tell me something, Dr. Nusma. Um what what um replicated studies have there been for the 2012 RAT study? Or any in a large independent labs and um how basically should we interpret this uh 2012 study in a way that's responsible? I did I did hear what you see what you said about the um the uh him and a bunch of his friends, right, without mentioning the name of the of the company. Um but other than that, other than that.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Right right. Well, I mean that's not even a published study. That's just uh personal communication with results. And uh when that gentleman, because he made this, he made this product, tested it on himself because his mom was undergoing early stage dementia. And when he because he had read the just the little bit of literature that he could find back in that time zone, there was no literature, and there was no patents on these products. He's gotten a couple patents on it, but now Big Pharma has gotten thousands of patents on it. So if you were to type in C60 on uh the the National Library of Medicine databases, in half a second you get 60,000 hits. Some of them are the the hit pieces that say this is completely toxic, don't do it, but most of them describe uh the benefits and the the um the good things that C60 can do. As far as replicating the study that Bati did, I'm unaware of anyone else that's actually done that. And I have perused the literature trying to look for uh uh dose effects. There was a great study that just came out of China in 2024, which talked about uh all like uh in vitro tests and in vivo tests, and talking about dose levels which result in physiologic response. That's an excellent study. And then uh I've also um uh can you tell me a little bit more about the 2024 study?

SPEAKER_01 18:46

I I didn't I don't think I missed it.

Supplements, Diet, And Protein

SPEAKER_00 18:48

If that one sitting around here somewhere, um I can send you the link, I can send you the exact uh um the exact author and reference, and you can link it in the show study. Thank you. Because um then I don't make any mistake on it. But that's the one that actually comes up with the best dose range of being about uh 10 milligrams per kilogram. And that's the one that that shows uh all of the good antioxidative effects and all of the good anti-inflammatory effects in vitro and in vivo, and then it's it's very lined out, well-designed studies. And I because I was just I was I was actually looking in the literature for um an evidence-based what is the actual human dose that people should be taking? And because that has always just been elusive, and it's always just been on these these dose, the doses are on these bottles that all carry the statement, these statements have not been evaluated by the US FDA.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

Okay, and uh the the next round we were gonna say, let's do this a little bit more correctly and put a science-based dose. So that's where that study comes from. And uh by the time you're listening to it, this will be down across here exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

But it's it's yes, so there is replication, there is a lot of and growing literature database on carbon 60 that shows the benefits of this molecule in humans. And it's one of those situations where why didn't we find this sooner? And now, you know, the the big pharma has has put in all kinds of applications for patents and been awarded patents, and and uh you know what happens when big pharma gets their hands on stuff.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

So so humans are being studied.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Yes.

Simple Nutrition And Lifestyle Rules

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Humans are being studied. And um it seems that when it's pure, the results are good. Yes, and so I'm just I have to repeat it. Yeah, I have to repeat it um that really it is a buyer's beware because just like so many other things, you know, if you buy something that's impure, buying a supplement that's impure, and I actually talk about my supplementation on a regular basis. I used to never supplement Dr. Newsman um until I uh fell completely in love with creatine. And uh and I'm uh of course in my pregnancies I supplemented with uh you know the prenatal stuff. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

I I if people have a good diet, Dee, there's very little need to supplement. I mean, what people don't realize is our body is very divinely designed. It's a God-given miracle that if we give it the right uh ingredients, it not only does it it divide and perpetuate and function, but it can also heal.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I agree. I I I think nutri that really is actually the basis for me never supplementing until I I saw the studies on uh creatine and Then the more and more studies on creatine for women, which of course is new.

Practical Anti-Inflammatory Choices

SPEAKER_00 22:06

And the the the fact of the matter is, protein is the key to life. You need to have a stockpile of protein in order to keep all of your body's physiologic systems functioning properly and efficiently. And if you run out of the protein, then your body begins to cut corners, and that's where it can't battle the inflammation, it can't battle the reactive oxygen species, it gets oxidative stress, and it's it's that it's a tenuous balance, and you have to look at lifestyle, you have to look at choices, you have to look at so many different things. And I mean, are people getting enough rest? Are people hydrated? What is the diet? You know, that I I gotta share this because I love it, but the best dietary advice I ever got in my life was actually from a lawyer, if you can believe that. You know, I was getting ready to do a deposition with with with him in in Chicago for some case or another. I don't even remember. But you know, we were sitting there having lunch, and and he says, he says, you know, if you eat half and mostly plants, you're gonna be all right. How about that for dietary, simple, plain, followable advice?

SPEAKER_01 23:20

That's really great. That's yeah, that's stuck with you.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

And mostly plants.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I like uh I love simplifying these sort of things because when it comes to habit change and lifestyle, simple is probably the way to go.

Personal Results And Use Cases

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Oh, absolutely. Because the other thing I like to say is that that you know, you you go through life, you know, in your 20s, you're you're immortal and nothing can hurt you. In your 30s, you're probably raising babies and and you're not the priority. In the 40s, it's more about raising, you know, older kids and you're still not the priorities. In your 50s, you wake up, you look in the mirror, and you say, Who is this fat guy looking at me? And it took you three decades to get there. There's nothing on the market that'll get you back to your fighting weight in a month. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

You gotta watch what you stick in the hole in your face, and you gotta move the total mass of what you've accumulated.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Yeah, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Um then it's just fighting inflammation. And if you flight inflamm inflammation, you can stay in front of all of those chronic conditions. And I mean, it's just it's just there's so many good things about fighting inflammation, you know. So if you can find the C60 you like, I think that's the best. If you can't find the C60, go with vitamin C, go with glutathione supplementation. You know what I mean? There's there's so many products on the market, and everybody's always asking me, Dr. Joe, what's what's the best one? What's the best one? And I always tell them the best one is one works for you. You gotta try it and you gotta see how you gotta listen to your body. The best key in all of the supplements market is being able to listen to your body. Because if you can't hear what your body is telling you, you're not even at square one to fix the problem.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Yes. Um let's repeat again the level of evidence for the daily uh requirement. We said 10 milligram per kilogram.

Skepticism, Science, And Limits

Environmental Exposures Everywhere

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Per kilogram of body weight is of pure C60, and that gets into uh the most of the anti-aging benefits associated with C60. And that article that I'll that's referenced, yeah, yeah, we'll will talk about that in detail. And that's I that's a great article, it's the best one I've found in a while, and yeah, you know, because I've been I've been taking this product for for quite a while, at least 15 years. And oh yeah, oh yeah. And uh, I was one of the first people that he gave it to, you know, after it didn't kill him, he's like, try this. And that's when that's when he was just making it up in olive oil, because that's what he found in the literature. And and then, you know, he put it in coconut oil and he put it in avocado oil, and then one day he emails me and says, What do you think of Nagella sativa? Didn't tell me yes, no, anything about it. That's black seed oil. And so I you know, I do a bunch of tox research on it, and you know, I email him back and I say, This is a great natural product, it's got a lot of benefits in and of itself. And he's like, Good, I was thinking of using it, but black seed oil, Nagella sativa apparently tastes horrible. Okay, so you can't just use it as an oil. So he created the gel cap. You know, and it's it's just it's it's it's a progression of different products, and it's it's the the the the benefits of which are fabulous. You know, when I when I first take C60, yeah, you know the little floaties you can sometimes see in your eye when you close your eyes. Of course, I have those are gone, those are gone for within 24 to 48 hours. When I'm on C60 consistently, I don't feel like I need as much sleep. The energy levels go through the roof, and the aches and pains of being a big guy are minimized, or they go away. My hips, my ankles, my knees, that type of stuff. And like I said, my 85-year-old mom is on it, and she gets around very well. She's still living independently. You know, my uh my sister is is using the product to help her battle both long COVID and Lyme's disease. And you know, I have her on a different combination. It's the C60 and it's an occupant oxidative therapy. So, you know, you get those two-pronged approach there. But uh her Lyme's disease, which she contracted probably 30 years ago when she was taking care of cranes, flares up. And of course, Lyme's disease is an opportunistic disease where if you have stress in your life and you're battling other demons, that's when it sneaks up and smacks you. And so, you know, when I first introduced my sister, she never wanted to listen to me. I'm just her older brother. And regardless of my training or degrees or experience, I don't know anything because she's my sister. And so finally I strong armed her into it and I said, try this. And she was on those two things that I that I recommended for uh three weeks, and she called me and she said, I didn't have to take any pain meds today for the first time in years. And then the next week she hadn't been on them at all for for several weeks, and and it's just it's that's what really gives me a warm fuzzy is when you help people like that. Yes, when when it's when it's your sister and and you know, you you're purported to love these people, you know, it depends on the day, usually, because she's your sister, and um it helps, you know, and and you're helping your mom, you're helping your sister.

Tools To Audit Household Toxins

SPEAKER_01 29:09

So I am extremely skeptic. Everybody who knows me, everybody who follows me, um should be knows that I'm I'm really not easy when it comes to, I mean, I I need so much research to to calm down. Um so I I was looking up a little bit of the literature, and I and also I'm listening to you intently, obviously. Sure. And I did see that there is increasing literature. And um I'm curious, do you know if anything's going on regarding um lifespan data? I know that's something that's really that takes a long cohort, but maybe someone's all over it.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Because I don't know that they are, but um it depends on what resource you really like to to um to believe. The study that Bati did back in 2012, even with the cutting it off early, if rats are directly translatable to humans, which they aren't, but right for the sake of the argument, that humans should should live about 100 135 years.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

If you believe what they say in the Bible, humans are supposed to be designed to live about 135 years.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

I don't know that part of the Bible.

Recovery, Athletes, And Synergy

SPEAKER_00 30:32

The things that uh that's just what I've read. I couldn't tell you the exact spot. The things that uh decrease those is your environmental influences. And in this world, in today's world, you can't avoid environmental influences. Right. What you breathe, what you drink, what you eat, what you live around, it all affects the human body. There's there's energy going on all over the place from the 5G towers to the uh city smog to the country fertilizer to the suburban, you know, whatever it is, use of even just uh Roundup and it's just the processed food, the impure water, and it's just it's there's so many toxic exposures, even what people pick to clean their house or use personal care products.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Wow, now everybody's gonna want to write to you and and be like, all right, Dr. Newsma, tell me, is this okay? Is this okay? Is this okay? Is this okay? I'm using this to clean my house.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

There's tools out there where you can scan the barcode and it tells you what what garbage is in the bottle or what goodness is in the bottle. Wow. You know, it's in my it takes my my 27-year-old daughter to to point those those types of applications out to her old man and say, Yeah, why are you using this? Look at how it rates.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Wow, I I need to get all over that. Um, all over those apps.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

You know, and then just another example is my my 25-year-old son. He's playing, he's in his senior season ice hockey for college. And so I consider him an elite athlete because he's the he's the first newsman seven generations where you can actually see ab muscles on. But so he's working out and he's playing hockey and and it's it's really high-intense activity. And the the C60 helps him recover.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

So it's not just like me and creatine.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And and the the the creatine helps your your protein rebuild your muscles and rebuild the the things that you're trying to make bigger. You have a good pile of ingredients that slides right into that, and the C60 stops the inflammation and reactive oxygen species, so that stops the disdestructive process. So it all works together hand in hand.

Conflict Zones And Residual Toxins

SPEAKER_01 32:57

Super, super, super interesting. That's actually my my big takeaway. I'm gonna share this because I I do believe that I might get a little backlash for um for really getting into this. I I will say that this is super interesting. Um, I think that uh really looking out for the latest research is important. And I think I I think it's awesome that that they're all over it and it's happening.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Um never believe the talking heads.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Always trust but verify.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Absolutely. And and um so I I my takeaway is that actually this really triggered, you know, a lot of uh a lot of interest in me. Um definitive, I we can't say it's definitive yet.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

Oh no, you you can't say anything's definitive because we we haven't seen a science is an evolutionary process. There's always ways to improve, there's always things to discuss, there's always things to debate.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

And we know so little. We really, really know so little. Like exactly.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

I agree with you a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yeah, yeah.

How To Test And Clean Safely

SPEAKER_00 34:08

So it and you know, we could we touched on on multiple topics that could be whole shows in and of themselves. Absolutely. You know, I'm uh like I said, I always uh I'm happy to talk to to anybody if they want to email me or text me or call me, you know. You you you find me on my website. Can I give that?

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah, of course. That's that's gonna be on my show notes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Superiortoxicology.com. So superior toxicology.com. And you can you can find the the the contact sheet, which you can send me an email. You can find the the the cell phone numbers on that website. So I answer the phone every time I can, or I get back to people who leave me voicemail. And you know, I'm happy to share more in-depth information on anything that we talked about, the oxidative therapy, the C60, the fire stuff, the the publications. Like uh D's gonna have the all of that stuff in the show notes, and and uh I'm happy to come back if you get just massive questions from some segment of your audience. We'll come back and do another show and dive in deeper on on whatever they want to. I'm happy to do that.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

I'm gonna I'm gonna share with you, you know, I mentioned the California uh fires, but um I live in Tel Aviv and uh right now I'm recording from Tel Aviv. We were talking about our time zone difference. And um the the next thing that triggered uh you know that triggered questions for me or concerns after thinking about the California wildfires um was actually, you know, painful, painful uh topic. But um what happened in uh the south uh in in 2023, the south of Israel? Uh there was so many attacks and people are slowly now starting to go back home.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

And they're contaminated with all of the residuals of those weapons, of those uh whatever makes them go boom, or whatever else they put in those things to if the boom doesn't kill people, what what kills them over time? I mean, those are designed to kill people, and I would imagine that those situations are extremely toxic. And how do you even begin to say this is how we clean this up?

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Right, right. It's a tough, tough question. Right. So that's actually, you know, kind of was lingering in the back of my head before. And I'm I mean, people are actually houses that were not burned to the ground are um people are going back to live there.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Yeah, and they if they were inundated with smoke, it's the exact same problem. Right, right. Smoke particles, those particles carry the ultimate toxins, and there's the analytical power today to actually take a sample of the particles and have it analyzed to tell you which toxins are in your house and how much are in your house. So you need the industrial hygiene sample taken, you need to send it to a lab that can do the analysis, you get those results back, and then you know what you're dealing with. And if you answer that question going back to your house, what am I dealing with? Then you can more um specifically answer the question, what do I need to do to clean this up and make it safe for my my family, you know, safe in the next five years, 10 years, 30 years, 50 years.

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SPEAKER_01 37:36

Wow. Wow, wow. Thank you so much for your time and your incredible insight and knowledge. Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Thanks for having me on the show. And and I look forward to any questions people have. And again, they can find me at superior toxicology.com.